Next Up Podcast


June 7, 2018 @ 1:04 pm

Leading With A Better Perspective (Ep. 47)


Leading often isn’t about the condition of the organization, but about the perspective of the leader. We have to know when to fly high and when to land on the details. In this episode, Jonathan and Dustin talk about the why and how of leading from different perspectives.


Look up - seek and hear God.

Look around - listen to wise counsel and find community.

Look down - be a servant leader.


Sponsor: Be the Swith: Living Your Calling While Living Your Life - a new book coming from Jonathan Pearson

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May 9, 2018 @ 2:33 pm

3 Elements to Doing Big Things (Ep. 46)

As leaders, how do we actually do big things? How do we get started? We can gain some valuable insight from Joshua in Joshua 6. In this episode, Jonathan and Dustin talk about the steps Joshua went through that we can learn from to do something big and outside of ourselves.


Sponsored by: Be the Switch: Living Your Calling While Living Your Life


The Steps:

1. Hear It


What is wrong?
What are the people around me saying?
What resources do I have?
What do I feel must be done?

2. Communicate It

3 Act On It

Our job is the marching, God's is the miracle. (tweet that)

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March 8, 2018 @ 3:03 pm

How to Recognize Unhealthy Patterns (Ep. 45)

We all find ourselves in them from time to time. They're unhealthy habits. While we don't always know how we got into them, it's important we learn to recognize them. In this episode, Jonathan and Dustin talk about how to recognize and get out of unhealthy habits in our life and leadership.


What in my life is draining me right now?

What in my life, if it continues, is unhealthy?

Am I making time for those that I love the most?


Don’t retreat from people who are honest with you

Recognize Seasons



Be the Switch: Living Your Calling While Living Your Life -

Jonathan's blog post on Adam & Eve and Vulnerability

Dustin's sermon on seasons

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February 1, 2018 @ 3:03 pm

The I’s Don’t Have It (Episode 44)

"I" and "We" // Two simple words that carry a lot of weight when it comes to being a leader and interacting with the people around us. When should we use those two words and is one always better? Jonathan and Dustin talk about the advantages of both in this episode.


"I" should be used to take the blame, not the credit. - Dustin Bates

"I" and "We" can isolate or associate. - Jonathan Pearson

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November 16, 2017 @ 3:56 pm

A Life With A View |Podcast 2 Go|

How to we avoid making a bigger deal out of the issues we face than we should? We change our perspective. In this podcast to go, Jonathan talks about how to do that.

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September 21, 2017 @ 9:24 am

You Are A Resource: Spiderman & Spandex (Ep. 42)

In this episode of the Next Up Podcast, Jonathan and Dustin sit down and talk about a leader's most valuable resource... themselves. They discuss how a leader can guard and invest their time, energy and talent without wasting it on the wrong things.

Oh, and yes, Spiderman and spandex do make an "appearance" as well...




Jonathan's book in progress

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August 24, 2017 @ 2:24 pm

Be the Switch (Ep. 41)

A light switch is the initiator. It’s what’s flipped to illuminate the darkness and show what could be changed in the room. As leaders and people, we need to be the switch. Be the initiator of change. In this episode, we talk about 4 ways we can be the switch.
Leaders leverage what they have. - @JonathanPearson (click to tweet)
No one’s ever said, “I regret giving too much effort and getting a great result.” - @JonathanPearson (click to tweet)
Be the Switch blog post
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July 24, 2017 @ 8:16 am

Leadership Isn’t Fair (Ep. 40)

Leadership isn't fair. In other words, leading means we can't treat everyone the same. One of the most important things we can do as leaders is learn the people we lead so we can best serve and lead them. In this podcast, Jonathan and Dustin talk about 3 key things that go into how we treat individuals on our team.

Leaders let others succeed. - Jonathan Pearson (tweet this)

Leaders make decisions by saying, "What is the greater good?" - Dustin Bates (tweet this)

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May 4, 2017 @ 1:56 pm

Moving People From Doers to Owners (Ep. 39)

It is never the leaders job to create doers. A leader creates more leaders. How do you move people in your organization from doer to owner so they can become leaders? In this podcast we talk about 3 necessary things we must share to get people to own what we're asking them to do.

Share Vision
Share Responsibility
Share the Win


"Vision spoken isn't as good as vision sharing. Give them real responsibility." - @JonathanPearson (tweet this quote

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April 12, 2017 @ 9:48 am

Leadership Lessons We’re Currently Learning (Ep. 38)

In this episode of the Next Up Podcast, Jonathan and Dustin talk about things they're currently learning and going through in their leadership.


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Jonathan's blog post about building influence quickly


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"Control is not influence." - Dustin Bates (click to tweet)

"Great leaders know which battles to fight and when to fight them." - @JonathanPearson (click to tweet)

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