Next Up Podcast


February 1, 2018 @ 3:03 pm

The I’s Don’t Have It (Episode 44)

"I" and "We" // Two simple words that carry a lot of weight when it comes to being a leader and interacting with the people around us. When should we use those two words and is one always better? Jonathan and Dustin talk about the advantages of both in this episode.


"I" should be used to take the blame, not the credit. - Dustin Bates

"I" and "We" can isolate or associate. - Jonathan Pearson

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November 16, 2017 @ 3:56 pm

A Life With A View |Podcast 2 Go|

How to we avoid making a bigger deal out of the issues we face than we should? We change our perspective. In this podcast to go, Jonathan talks about how to do that.

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September 21, 2017 @ 9:24 am

You Are A Resource: Spiderman & Spandex (Ep. 42)

In this episode of the Next Up Podcast, Jonathan and Dustin sit down and talk about a leader's most valuable resource... themselves. They discuss how a leader can guard and invest their time, energy and talent without wasting it on the wrong things.

Oh, and yes, Spiderman and spandex do make an "appearance" as well...




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August 24, 2017 @ 2:24 pm

Be the Switch (Ep. 41)

A light switch is the initiator. It’s what’s flipped to illuminate the darkness and show what could be changed in the room. As leaders and people, we need to be the switch. Be the initiator of change. In this episode, we talk about 4 ways we can be the switch.
Leaders leverage what they have. - @JonathanPearson (click to tweet)
No one’s ever said, “I regret giving too much effort and getting a great result.” - @JonathanPearson (click to tweet)
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July 24, 2017 @ 8:16 am

Leadership Isn’t Fair (Ep. 40)

Leadership isn't fair. In other words, leading means we can't treat everyone the same. One of the most important things we can do as leaders is learn the people we lead so we can best serve and lead them. In this podcast, Jonathan and Dustin talk about 3 key things that go into how we treat individuals on our team.

Leaders let others succeed. - Jonathan Pearson (tweet this)

Leaders make decisions by saying, "What is the greater good?" - Dustin Bates (tweet this)

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May 4, 2017 @ 1:56 pm

Moving People From Doers to Owners (Ep. 39)

It is never the leaders job to create doers. A leader creates more leaders. How do you move people in your organization from doer to owner so they can become leaders? In this podcast we talk about 3 necessary things we must share to get people to own what we're asking them to do.

Share Vision
Share Responsibility
Share the Win


"Vision spoken isn't as good as vision sharing. Give them real responsibility." - @JonathanPearson (tweet this quote

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April 12, 2017 @ 9:48 am

Leadership Lessons We’re Currently Learning (Ep. 38)

In this episode of the Next Up Podcast, Jonathan and Dustin talk about things they're currently learning and going through in their leadership.


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"Control is not influence." - Dustin Bates (click to tweet)

"Great leaders know which battles to fight and when to fight them." - @JonathanPearson (click to tweet)

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March 22, 2017 @ 10:31 am

The Perspective Principle (Ep. 37)

When we've been in one place for a long period of time or we find ourselves mired in a leadership rut, one of the greatest things we can do is change our perspective. In this episode, Jonathan and Dustin talk about why a perspective change is valuable and how to get it.

Quotes from the episode:

A prideful perspective is not the proper perspective. - Dustin Bates (tweet)

What you never see, you can never change. - @JonathanPearson (tweet)

A perspective change is up to the leader, not the people. - @JonathanPearson (tweet)

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February 13, 2017 @ 2:45 pm

3 Things Great Leaders Do (Episode 36)

Yes, it's the broadest podcast title you've ever seen. No, we didn't really boil all of leadership into 3 things. What you will get on this podcast are 3 areas that we often overlook when leading our organizations or even families. We'll discuss things that many of us may have never thought of when leading others. The 3 things discussed are...

Leading Relationally - Find personal common ground

Leading Environmentally - Set the thermostat

Leading Directly - Mold consensus, don't bow to it


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January 19, 2017 @ 3:29 pm

How to Let Your Challenges Change You (Episode 35)

When leadership challenges come, we have two choices, let them change us and push through or let them choke us and stunt our forward progress. In this episode, Jonathan and Dustin talk about five things that can ensure we push through and let challenges change us and the things we lead.

These 5 things are...

1. Be grateful

2. Keep the goal in mind

3. Keep people first

4. Practice patience

5. Remember the past victory

Next Up: 8 Shifts Great Young Leaders Make

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